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just what i was afraid of....*:-? thinking... heads rolling about looking at people, at the foot of the guillotine...

what were they thinking during the  minutes or hours before their brains died ?!?

 what do you think ?

love, addy

pls see the link for the whole article,

this is an excerpt from https://www.livescience.com/60593-flatliners-movie-death-resuscitat...

In the vast majority of terminal cases, physicians medically define death based on when the heart no longer beats, said Dr. Sam Parnia, director of critical care and resuscitation research at NYU Langone School of Medicine in New York City.

"Technically speaking, that's how you get the time of death — it's all based on the moment when the heart stops," he told Live Science.

Once that happens, blood no longer circulates to the brain, which means brain function halts "almost instantaneously," Parnia said. "You lose all your brain stem reflexes — your gag reflex, your pupil reflex, all that is gone."

A trajectory of cell death

The brain's cerebral cortex — the so-called "thinking part" of the brain — also slows down instantly, and flatlines, meaning that no brainwaves are visible on an electric monitor, within 2 to 20 seconds. This initiates a chain reaction of cellular processes that eventually result in the death of brain cells, but that can take hours after the heart has stopped, Parnia said.

 

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wow, this is a hugely controversial subject Eta : )

the song says, by the condemned murderer:

Guilty as charged
But damn it, it ain't right
There's someone else controlling me

imho it comes back down to taking or refusing to take, responsibility for one's own actions.

so often people say " the devil" or someone else made them do it....but no, there's no such thing.

Provided they got the right killer, i always think mostly of the victim...what was going on in the victim's mind as they were being taken, abused, killed......most especially the terror of the children ( as with your video on the "Shadow" discussion, which broke my heart....i wish i could lovingly give a home to all the abused and neglected children..).......

yes, what is in the mind of the innocents as they suffer and die....some people try to make themselves feel better by claiming it's karma for their previous lives, but i'm not buying it.

i can only pray they have a better life the next time round....

much love to you, dear one...addy xoxo


Eta Huinya said:

Remember the discussion about somebody thinking about "how does a person feel when getting eaten by an animal?"?? I think our Spirits/Souls do vacate the body when there is undue shock and stress. It's related to dissociation. People can only stand so much. At a certain point, the spirit/soul will move away from the body...so that pain is not felt.

If the experience does not result in death, the spirit/soul may come back to the body, but may be damaged. Healers who do "soul retrieval" work with the client to find the "pieces" and integrate them back into the body....or into the "whole" self.

My own feeling about Dissociation is that our consciousness moves into another dimension. This could also happen when "weird" things happen that we can't explain...like dealing with ETs, for instance. Again, the more conscious we become, the more we can recover these "lost" memories. We can (maybe with the help of a Guide) learn to recover the memories without re-living the trauma.

I was just listening to a radio program with Dr. Rachel Harris, a psychologist who does therapy with the herb Ayahuasca. She speaks of 2 levels of recovering from trauma....first, the pain must be fully felt and let go; second, one learns that one does not have to keep experiencing the pain, but can have the memories from a more detached point-of-view.

https://kpfa.org/episode/the-visionary-activist-show-october-19-2017/


i think that's very possible, re the soul.....what do you think about the thought processes of the physical brain during these events...

and, do you think the bairn and the soul may both harbour consciousness, even if it's just for a time ( re the brain)..........? 

......The ancient Egyptians believed there were 9 parts to the soul...could it be part of this ?

love you and love discussing and brainstorming with you lol !

xoxox addy
Turquoise Water said:

Remember the discussion about somebody thinking about "how does a person feel when getting eaten by an animal?"?? I think our Spirits/Souls do vacate the body when there is undue shock and stress. It's related to dissociation. People can only stand so much. At a certain point, the spirit/soul will move away from the body...so that pain is not felt.

If the experience does not result in death, the spirit/soul may come back to the body, but may be damaged. Healers who do "soul retrieval" work with the client to find the "pieces" and integrate them back into the body....or into the "whole" self.

My own feeling about Dissociation is that our consciousness moves into another dimension. This could also happen when "weird" things happen that we can't explain...like dealing with ETs, for instance. Again, the more conscious we become, the more we can recover these "lost" memories. We can (maybe with the help of a Guide) learn to recover the memories without re-living the trauma.

I was just listening to a radio program with Dr. Rachel Harris, a psychologist who does therapy with the herb Ayahuasca. She speaks of 2 levels of recovering from trauma....first, the pain must be fully felt and let go; second, one learns that one does not have to keep experiencing the pain, but can have the memories from a more detached point-of-view.

https://kpfa.org/episode/the-visionary-activist-show-october-19-2017/

to follow up the post answering TW....i had this analogy thought later...

that our technology in cars, phones, etc.....keep track of where we've been ( gps), mileage ( work-out devices, cars), who and what we like/do/play etc....and when the User is gone, that stuff stays there....like the physical brain chemicals and neurons, and the soul.....what do you think ?? Below is an article re the 9 parts of the Egyptian soul:


Subject: THE NINE PARTS OF THE SOUL, ancient egypt
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In ancient Egypt, a person’s soul was thought to consist of nine separate parts which were integrated into a whole individual but had very distinct aspects. 
In many ancient cultures such as those found in Asian, African, and even America, we find a Soul concept analogously similar to the concept developed by the religions of the Judeo-Christian group (including Islam) and European philosophy.
The soul, from the Vedic or Veda point of view, is the being, which by nature is eternal (without birth or death or without beginning or end) of a substance different from that of the physical body and which has its own consciousness.
From this point of view, material science or that which studies physical or material phenomena is limited because it cannot study spiritual phenomena since its nature is different from physics.
This chapter of Bhagavad Gita deals with the nature of the soul.
But just as those ancient cultures explain in detail the concept of the human soul, the ancient Egyptians, known to have been one of the most advanced ancient civilization to ever exist on Earth developed an extremely interesting concept that explains the human soul.
THE SOUL WAS NOT ONLY ONE’S CHARACTER BUT A COMPOSITE BEING OF DIFFERENT ENTITIES, EACH OF WHICH HAD ITS OWN ROLE TO PLAY IN THE JOURNEY OF LIFE AND AFTERLIFE. (source)
The ancient Egyptians were convinced that the human soul was composed of NINE main parts: the Ren, the Ba, the Ka, the Shuyet, and the Jb, the Akh, the Sahu, the Khat and the Sechem.
(Note) In some eras, the soul was thought to be comprised of five parts and in others seven, but, generally, it was nine. Here we take a look at the NINE parts.
In addition to the components of the human soul, there was the human body referred to as the Ha—Haw—which was interpreted as the sum of bodily parts.
Jb (The heart) was an extremely important part of the Egyptian soul. It was believed to form from one drop of blood from the child’s mother’s heart, taken at conception. In ancient Egyptian mythology, the heart was the key to the afterlife.
Shuyet (The Shadow) is always present. The ancient Egyptians believed the shadow summarized what a person represents.
Ren (The name) was another crucial part of the soul. A person’s Ren was given to them at birth and the Egyptians believed that it would live for as long as that name was spoken.
(The personality) Resumed, the ancient Egyptians believed that Bâ was everything that makes a person unique.
Ka (The vital spark) According to the Ancient Egyptians the Ka was a vital concept in the soul as it distinguishes the difference between a living and a dead person.
Khat (The Body) the Khat was referred to by the Ancient Egyptian as the physical body which when deceased, provided the ling between the soul and one’s earthly life.
Akh (The Immortal Self) according to ancient Egyptians, the Akh was the transformed immortal self which offered a magical union of the Ba and Ka.
Sahu (The Judge) The Sahu was the aspect of Akh which would come to a person as a ghost or while asleep in dreams. Sahu was differentiated from all other aspects of the soul once the person was ‘justified’ by the God Osiris and judged worthy of eternal existence.
Sechem  (Another aspect of Akh) The Sechem was another aspect of the Akh which allowed it mastery of circumstances. It was considered the vital life energy of the person which manifested itself as the power that had the ability to control one’s surroundings and outcomes.
 
Furthermore, according to the ancient Egyptians the human being, has eight degrees in personality:
Ren“, or “he name, being able to keep existing according to the care of a correct embalming.
Sejem” is the energy, the power, the light of the deceased.
Aj” is the unification of “Ka” and “Ba”, in view of a return to existence.
Ba“, which makes of an individual being what it is; it also applies to inanimate things. It is the closest concept to the Western “Soul”.
Ka,” the life force. Sustained by food offerings to the deceased.
Sheut or Shuyet” is the shadow of the person, represented by a completely black human figure.
Seju” means the physical remains of the person.
Jat” is the carnal part of the person.

I think you are onto something here, my dear. The Egyptians were certainly precise in their definitions.

This reminds me of the process described in Diane Stein's method, given to her by the Goddess Brede. She delineates this method in her book: Essential Energy Balancing: An Ascension Process.

Esentially ;-) She speaks of 9 bodies: Physical, Etheric, Emotional, Astral, Mental, Mind Grid, Spiritual, Galactic, Causal

Aligning and balancing all of these would result in what she called “Ascension.” She defines “Ascension” as “Clearing, healing and energy repatterning on all levels–physical/etheric, emotional, mental, spiritual, Core Soul, and DNA....resulting in the healing and release of one-half to three-quarters (or more) of all the karma brought into this incarnation lifetime. All Core Soul damage is cleared and healed; the DNA is repaired and reconnected to twelve strands and ultimately to twenty-one strands for most people. Also, there is a reconnection and merging with your Higher Self, Essence Self, Goddess Self/Oversoul, and reconnection with Goddess.” This “energy evolution and raising of vibration triggered by these important healings” is called “Ascension” in the metaphysical West and “Enlightenment” in Eastern traditions.

In this method, Diane works with the "Lords of Karma," who are 9 to 11 Beings who help us all learn through our actions on this Earth. She describes appealing to them to be able to learn more pro-actively, rather than mere "cause and effect." If they agree, this 9-body alignment can begin.

Anyway, it's an interesting correlation. Personally, I think many of us have already aligned a few of our "bodies" already, and maybe for a moment or two, all of the bodies! It is given to us in this new Aquarian Age to be able to do this more quickly because it is so needed in this world here and now.

The number "9" seems to be important in this process...I think it's because it's the number of completion....after which, the number "10" starts a new process on a more advanced plane....

It just occurred to me that one of my favorite movies, The Ninth Gate, might be a metaphorical illustration of this process....hmmmm.....

Supposedly, The Ninth Gate is about (on a subconscious level) Catharism...in which the Priest (could be male or female) was called a "Parfait" or "Perfected One."

Further (my mind is racing a bit here, but indulge me ;-) ...there is a book called The Man of Light in Iranian Sufism by Henry Corbin. Weirdly, this book had a strange effect on me. There is a summary on this page:

http://thedepartinglandscape.blogspot.com/2010/11/the-light-colors-...

From the summary:

In Corbin’s world of metaphor we enter into the light of angels; we enter into another kind of Darkness called by the mystics the “Night of light,” the “luminous Blackness” or the “black light.” This other-worldly light is the light of the soul, the light of consciousness rising over the Darkness of the subconscious in which the divine Cloud of Unknowing gives birth to an interior burst of initiatic light -- the light of the “Midnight sun.”

In this method, there are 7 bodies, each called a "veil." The Black Light is next to the last....the last is the EMERALD Light, or is it the Philosopher's Stone?

The great Sufi mystic saint Semnani (1280-1386) says that the final mystical station is marked not by black light but by green light. Following are the colors he associates with each of the seven mystical veils:

1 Darkness, the stage of the subtle body at the level of its birth, still very close to the physical organism; a blackness sometimes turning to smoke-grey
2 Blue light = soul
3 Red light = heart
4 White light = superconsciousness
5 Yellow light = spirit
6 Luminous Black = arcanum. The black light; the Luminous Night
7 Green light = the divine center.

So Thoth, or Ningishzidda, was taught by Enki how to bring back a being from Death. He did not teach this to any of his other sons....or so it is said. An interesting story.

To go further, the "Green Man" of Paganism is often equated with Kidhr (Al-Kidhr):
http://www.khidr.org/

From the above link:

Khiḍr is associated with the Water of Life. Since he drank the water of immortality he is described as the one who has found the source of life, 'the Eternal Youth.' He is the mysterious guide and immortal saint in popular Islamic lore and the hidden initiator of those who walk the mystical path.

In the Islamic tradition Khiḍr is alive and well and continues to guide the perplexed and those who invoke his name.

Al-Khidr: The Immortal Prophet, Mystic, Trickster, and Sea Spirit
http://www.khidr.org/khidr-strange-life-mark-miller2015.htm

Khiḍr, according to legend, is the only person to have tasted the liquor of the Fountain of Immortal Youth in the East. He was wandering in a desert and came to a dried-up spring. He dipped a dried fish in it, and the spring came alive again. Khiḍr “realized that he had found the fountain of life. He dived in and became immortal and his cloak turned green. He is often associated with the primordial ocean and is said to live on an island in the middle of the sea,” says The Penguin Dictionary of Symbols.

But, you know, Khidr is not the only one. There are legends of Immortal Beings in every part of the world! For instance, there is Babaji in India. These Beings go where they want to go and do what they want to do. They can be in 2 (or more) places at the same time! They are able to straddle dimensions....and they speak to us from a place where we (perhaps) are evolving to.....

Tibetan Buddhists teach a practice of ´´Transference of Consciousness at death´´ This involves an initiation and practice. I took a class on this when I was in India and later performed this for a family member, after which I received several signs that it had worked. The goal is not to go to a heaven or hell, but to a ´´pure land´´ of enlightenment. I will leave you some links on this and if you want to check more then google ´´PHOWA´´
https://www.lamayeshe.com/article/chapter/6-transference-consciousness

http://www.lotsawahouse.org/tibetan-masters/karma-chakme/phowa-comm...

If anyone would like the initiation and oral teaching on Transference of consciousness at death, here is where to get it. The class is free.
http://ayangrinpoche.org/phowa-course-bodhgaya-2018/

On another note....as for people who say that bad things are just ´´someones karma.´´ Well, most things are karma, but that is not an excuse to lack compassion or empathy.

wow, TW and LL..these are terrific posts, and a lot to digest : )
but i love how you incorporate different belief systems from other times and around the world.......all can come together so well, to make us wonder about the perceptions of consciousness and where we 'll go, if we go ( which i believe we do).
also, TW...an aside...that quote:
"In Corbin’s world of metaphor we enter into the light of angels; we enter into another kind of Darkness called by the mystics the “Night of light,” the “luminous Blackness” or the “black light.” This other-worldly light is the light of the soul, the light of consciousness rising over the Darkness of the subconscious in which the divine Cloud of Unknowing gives birth to an interior burst of initiatic light -- the light of the “Midnight sun.”'
puts me in mind of what i've read about some people having a black aura...but a luminous black, not a dull sullen black....and it being a beautiful thing.

much love to you both,
xoxox addy

This luminous black light is something we see in meditation.....
Also wanted to add that we can do a Transference of consciousness at death using Reiki 2.....

Reiki seems like an all round fantastic practice....it incorporates so much, spiritual assistance for the physical as well....
it sounds a lot like the courses i followed, which incorporated reiki, therapeutic touch, and reflexology/cell memory all based on a solid spiritual base.
thank you LL !!
much love, addy xoxoxo

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