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Is this real, or am i going to hell>?

  There sure has been a number of conversations on subjects like Jesus , hell , satan, and demons , or similar nature.  I love these conversations , and learn everytime i read through them .  But i just wanted to ask a couple bold question. 

 Does it not take the same amount of faith to believe in a fiery place where our loving creator tosses, forever , the ones who dont know and practice as do others? Or our planet,  as well as everything that sprouted out of it , originated directly out of the very place it resides ? 

  If you dont mind i would like to look at a couple things here, and encourage you to comment if i miss something , 

  This planet was here long before man . We have the tangible evidence. We have observed the Moon, stars , and open space that even proves to be older than the Earth itself. Then a few billion years down the road you have somebody come along , and stake a claim on it . I think one of the biggest fears people have is being wrong. We are still separated in , and of this world only by beliefs, when in reality we all come from the same place .

  Which brings us to the all so touchy question.  " Am i going to hell? "  Well in my opinion if you choose to believe in such YES! Let me explain before you freak out. In every ancient text this , i  think is only a metaphor . The state you will be in if you choose to live in contradiction of your faith. In all faiths it is the same " We must face these fears in human form, or we will be forced to face them upon ascension.  Fire , as used in most religious text is just used as a purification method , as is used in separating impurities in gold , but us , as from birth have been told its hot , and it will burn.  Enough said about that ( maybe a different discussion)

   My point is , and i will be clear .  It takes the same amount to believe in both . What do you really think? If you are worried about the consequences of one belief you are attached to it in one way or another. How can you even attempt to make a call like "is this real" wile you are being influenced by a preconditioned thought.

   Now on the other hand i see evidence of our planet , the stars , open space , and the very real effects they have on humans. This has been the base of all religions on this planet. There for making hell from the mind of man. We are the ones who created the word , and make it a real thing. Lets word this another way , and i hope you follow.  1) Do you believe in aliens or ETs?   2) Do you believe in God?  3)One more than the other?  WHY? To me they are the same .   Jesus , God , angels , demon, satan , ans yes i am going to say it >>>ARE ALIENS.  Dont you agree that anything not of this world is "extraterrestrial or ETs "?   This is not a sin contrary to popular beliefs but could be seen as confirmation.  If you view this in a monotheistic fashion you are probably offended , and i am sorry. But when viewed with an open mind , and the passion the know the truth , maybe this will bring together things for you as it has me.  

    Am i going to hell because i believe and can see ?  Or because man has told me?  The stars dont tell me anything about such place. Some say its of divine inspiration, which happens to be the claim of many serial killers . The devil made me do it.  Ok well lets say they are the same but of equal value on each side of the pos, or neg scale( good & bad) We are quick to believe the credibility of the good wile condemning the other, but in both cases the claim is being made by man.  In the natural laws of polarity thy are the same , but of different nature. Everything in the stars teach us this. Sun, moon, night, and day, male and female pos, neg , bad & good, everything....

  Is this real, or am i going to hell>?  is a redundant question. We answer our own question if we include the the possibility of burning for being wrong.

    Stand fast dear Starseeds . Our spiritual masters , teachers,  evidence in nature , and the heavens  all have the same to say. One day we will ascend to the heavens , and take our rightful place among our extraterritorial families . Our earth families who are so influenced by man will need our help.   

   I will open this discussion by saying "don't" ask yourself this question. Do yourself a favor , and go one way or the other.Our ascended master Jesus said the kingdom of God is within you.Do not create yourself something you cant deal with. You are a spiritual being in a physical body waiting to ascend. If you carry a question of hell , you will face this one day . Do not give it credit, being bad or good your hell will be what you make it. If you are riding the fence , and harboring these fears the purification process can be very difficult , and possibly painful upon ascension , as stated by our masters as well.

                           As written Jesus said " I am the Light. Truth. the way . NO ONE comes to the father but by me "  (the father being the seed bearer of our kind)

    Do not take this out of context , In II Peter it says " Let none of these scriptures be of mans private interpretation "  So it is what it is.       The only way is through the Light And the Truth. 

 When we pass from physical to spiritual we will know all truths as according to all masters , therefor knowing the way ,  So tell me , after purification , and realization of truth , light and the way. Where is this terrible hell ? 

   

  


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Permalink Reply by Clifford Oliver on December 8, 2012 at 12:58am

I create in the Now moment, with my 3D hands. But I also have much more power than that, which I often fail to notice. The future is a probability, what do I choose to create?..

Permalink Reply by Delphina Bluestar on December 12, 2012 at 6:46pm

I have occasionally found myself in similar circumstances.

While i loathe dogmatic belief, i am drawn, like the sailor to the siren (Sirian?) song, to Christ. Perhaps it's my Sirian soul--Christ was very much the same as Enki, O Nummo, Osiris, and many others who may have all been One who came many times--but i cannot deny it.

However, i cannot accept the view that to be loved by God one must believe in a specific way and live life by specific rules set by PEOPLE.

Permalink Reply by Clifford Oliver on December 12, 2012 at 6:52pm

Couldnt agree more Delphina..;-)

Permalink Reply by Clifford Oliver on December 12, 2012 at 8:07pm
Permalink Reply by Crow~Angel on December 12, 2012 at 10:20pm

I love this post. I used to believe that Hell was actually a place you go when you die if you do wrong, but now I have many different beliefs about Hell. I believe that it is actually through the mind that one can create, if you are thinking of negative things and lots of fears rise up you can actually create Hell through your mind through manifestation and then you can really live a Hell on Earth, I did this awhile back myself because I delved deep into Christianity then Demonology and I also felt like I was being attacked by evil left and right. Through my own manifestation I created my own Hell on Earth in my mind and outside of my mind, for myself. Now when you die, I don't believe that we can actually go to Hell, unless ones Hell is that bad, but no one really knows until then, so how can people on Earth know unless they have died for long enough then came back to tell the tale? Very interesting topic, I love talk about the beyond, it is hard to say about Hell though unless you've been there and there is actually a place. 

 

I believe in good vs bad but we have to have both to balance everything out. I think the media is over played and things in movies/tv isn't what it seems at all just peoples thoughts or ideas and brainwashing techniques. I know that being positive is the way to enjoy life and not letting anything really get to you, just brushing things off your shoulders, not taking offense to anything really helps me get through life. I am a very sensitive and caring individual and I had to really learn to make myself happy recently, I realized that I was trying to make everyone else happy and that was bringing me down. Little things like that can make a world of a difference just doing things for yourself and still doing things for others but you have to worry about yourself too. I wasn't completely neglecting myself but I was also too focused about what everybody thought and that isn't how to live your life either. I always took what everyone else said to heart and believed it too. So if someone said there is a Hell, I believed it. It wasn't until I started consorting with my higher self that I realized nothing is as it seems. :-) Always trust your gut too. Rely on higher sources. :-) 

 

Love and Light and many Blessings to you!!!!

 

Crow~Angel


AdminPermalink Reply by ॐNaos on December 16, 2012 at 8:52am

I love biblical references,

2 Corinthians 11:14-15

New International Version (NIV)

12 And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about. 13 For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ.

14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. """"""""Their end will be what their actions deserve.""""""

 Hello everybody, and thanks for following the post. I have been away for work , but glad to be home with my Starseed peeps.

Homesick Traveler said:

What about the verse "and the devil will masquerade as an angel of light"

Light being the key word

Permalink Reply by Rev. Christine Ullmann on April 11, 2013 at 1:45pm

For the past several years I have been blessed with being in communion with Father God, Yahweh, and He has answered many questions of this nature for me. ( Don't ask me for the name of His channel...I am not at liberty to give out this information.)  Here is what Yahweh says on the subject of Hell.  "Humans create their own Hells."  Hell is where there is no Love, i.e., God, for God is Love.  I myself have felt myself to be in "Hell" several times, and when this happens, call out to Jesus or to Archangel Michael, and an angel or many will come to get you out.

   Your thought create your reality.  If, when you cross over you are in the frame of mind that is fearful of Hell (as most mainstream Christian religions teach), you probably will experience Hell because that is what your mind is projecting onto the screen of you perception of reality.  You may be there for a while but eventually an AA will come to get you out of that frame of mind.

  The people who invented the Christian Religion (at the Council of Trent and Nicea etc.  took everything out ofd the Bible about reincarnation and about Karma.  They created a fear-based religion for ignorant people with the fear of Hell being a way to manipulate the masses.  The idea was that only they could forgive your sins and if you gave them money, only they could keep your soory butt out of the flames of Hell.  This is nonsense.

    Each soul is on a spiritual journey and not many are all at the same level of developement.  It takes millions of years for a soul to mature and many reincarnations.  It learns and grows in each incarnation and has to work on the Karma it has accumulated.  The goal is to be "Perfect" even as your Father is Perfect.  In Gods sight all of His children are perfect for each (on all planets) were created in His image and can be non other than perfect.

    At the Highest Level there is no duality.  When I asked Father about Satan going about like a roaring lion, His exact words were,,"That's a bunch of hog-wash.".

   Evil is an illusion.  He calls it "an error in thinking."  Your thoughts create your reality.  To change your reality, change your mind.

    Mind I recommend A Course in Miracles, channeled by Jesus to help you understand what Truth is.

Also, the real Bible has been given...by an American dentist named Blackburn (through automatic writing.).  Read it and you will get a much better picture of the Cosmos, Creation, The Kingdom of Heaven and how the major religions grew and what they are for. It is called The Oahspe, and you can get it on  Amazon or the internet.

   The Earth is a school and one of the toughest there is.  We all agreed to come here in these Last  Days to help in the Ascension.  To Ascend means to return back to the original Christ -Consciouness that you were created in.  Each soul has free will to decide which Path it will follow..the Path of The Ego, or the Path of the Christ-Consciousness.The end of the journey for us all is to go home to God, perfected forever.

Permalink Reply by Mark SittingBear on April 11, 2013 at 2:12pm

Greetings Rev. Christine Ullmann,

Totally agree with everything written here !

Thank You...

Goddess Blessings...

Rev. Christine Ullmann said:

For the past several years I have been blessed with being in communion with Father God, Yahweh, and He has answered many questions of this nature for me. ( Don't ask me for the name of His channel...I am not at liberty to give out this information.)  Here is what Yahweh says on the subject of Hell.  "Humans create their own Hells."  Hell is where there is no Love, i.e., God, for God is Love.  I myself have felt myself to be in "Hell" several times, and when this happens, call out to Jesus or to Archangel Michael, and an angel or many will come to get you out.

   Your thought create your reality.  If, when you cross over you are in the frame of mind that is fearful of Hell (as most mainstream Christian religions teach), you probably will experience Hell because that is what your mind is projecting onto the screen of you perception of reality.  You may be there for a while but eventually an AA will come to get you out of that frame of mind.

  The people who invented the Christian Religion (at the Council of Trent and Nicea etc.  took everything out ofd the Bible about reincarnation and about Karma.  They created a fear-based religion for ignorant people with the fear of Hell being a way to manipulate the masses.  The idea was that only they could forgive your sins and if you gave them money, only they could keep your soory butt out of the flames of Hell.  This is nonsense.

    Each soul is on a spiritual journey and not many are all at the same level of developement.  It takes millions of years for a soul to mature and many reincarnations.  It learns and grows in each incarnation and has to work on the Karma it has accumulated.  The goal is to be "Perfect" even as your Father is Perfect.  In Gods sight all of His children are perfect for each (on all planets) were created in His image and can be non other than perfect.

    At the Highest Level there is no duality.  When I asked Father about Satan going about like a roaring lion, His exact words were,,"That's a bunch of hog-wash.".

   Evil is an illusion.  He calls it "an error in thinking."  Your thoughts create your reality.  To change your reality, change your mind.

    Mind I recommend A Course in Miracles, channeled by Jesus to help you understand what Truth is.

Also, the real Bible has been given...by an American dentist named Blackburn (through automatic writing.).  Read it and you will get a much better picture of the Cosmos, Creation, The Kingdom of Heaven and how the major religions grew and what they are for. It is called The Oahspe, and you can get it on  Amazon or the internet.

   The Earth is a school and one of the toughest there is.  We all agreed to come here in these Last  Days to help in the Ascension.  To Ascend means to return back to the original Christ -Consciouness that you were created in.  Each soul has free will to decide which Path it will follow..the Path of The Ego, or the Path of the Christ-Consciousness.The end of the journey for us all is to go home to God, perfected forever.

Permalink Reply by Clifford Oliver on April 11, 2013 at 2:14pm

Beautiful and accurate wisdom Rev. Christine..:-) Much Blessings..

Masteroflight

Permalink Reply by John W Baldwin on April 11, 2013 at 3:00pm

Most of what you are expressing is agreeable; however, that all beings that came into existence from the very beginning are perfect & pure - I will explain my argument shortly - as you are aware that each of us were given the gift of free will was to go forth into the physical expanse universe to be of divine service to each other by & through co-creation and through & by love including for our own spiritual development...to experience "all that is" in that playground from the ground up sort to speak - we did not become physical beings till after experiencing the 1st stages of physicality...there is much debate regarding this to say as for an example; "What came first - the chicken? or the egg?"... and/or is not even looked at by many to ponder that possibility?

All beings were of purity and we still are those beings of light - our journey for this physical experience in all of it's aspects within those frequency of densities had to "descend" & we placed those blocks to our consciousness including our abilities to an extent etc.; it is not the opposite for anyone of us to "ascend" to perfection;; in other words it is what you have said about Earth is indeed a school; this applies to other developing worlds throughout physical matter universe(s).

I can agree that we are adding to our essence that we already possess is a great value within creation and co-creation as this also adds to the "whole" to all that is & that of Source through the very experiences of transformation.

We & the many others out there; by consensus are co-creating those realities and for our own selves while there is room for free will of the unknown outcomes of cause & effect to occur that is outside of those plans.

Even in the non-physical matter universe (anti-matter as it is expressed) that both universes are interlacing w/ the barriers of dimensional vibrations in between those many layers that the soul being multi-dimensional can transverse them.

Tossing another question that thus far I haven't seen to imply even that the Angelics are also going through their own spiritual lessons through divine service?

Another thought pops into my head that those of us whom are of free will beings are going for to becoming the divine will beings?

Enoch is an example of this; becoming AA Metatron and the holder of the sacred cube of creation ( Metatron's Cube) and serving as God's Scribe.

As it has been told that all is indeed well; and I feel that message internally - regardless what is happening for this transition taking place is through the divine plan and all that are here to assist to manifest that goes beyond this Earth and the souls that inhabits the physical human. 

 

 

Permalink Reply by Rev. Christine Ullmann on April 11, 2013 at 5:44pm

Different beings in Creation have different functions and varying degrees of perfection.  If you read and study The Zohar, which I attempted to do last year and didn't get too far, you will learn that The Creator created the "Creature"  (us) out of the Will to Bestow.  The Creature has The Will to Receive. ( gimmmeee gimmee gimmmeee)  One of the main traits of growth and development into a Divine Being with Divine Will is to adjust the thoughts and the Will to The Will to Bestow., the Will to Serve. As we move up the ladder of Ascension, we pass various Initiations.  One has officially ascended after the 4th Initiation, the Crucifixion Initiation in which the soul renounces all attachment to The World and material things and even family and puts God first.  There are 10 to reach full God-Consciousness.  Also your DNA has to be worked on and the strands that were disconnected to slow down our development are reconnected.   If you haven't asked for this , and you want this done, you must ask for it, as no on can violate you legally against your will.

It may interest you to know that every single human on Earth is a Star-Seed.  God seems to see everything in terms of percentages (after all He is The Master Mathematician.)  !00 % are star-seeds.  Also, He knows everyone of us by name and everything about us and everything we do or say or think.  You are born into a prayerful state.  And He loves everyone of us equally.  Isn't that amazingly wonderful.?

Permalink Reply by MysticAngel on April 25, 2013 at 9:43pm

This is a great post and I agree!

As a medium I've worked with alot of spirits and what I learned was this. Hell is nothing more then separation from a more lighter dimension, and each that choose not to cross over chose to stay in that realm for one reason or another. What's more interesting is that realm is reflected differently for each person. So one person see's only darkness and dispair, where another has unfinished business and so they stay in an earthly realm near family or friends. So in a sense there are many hell's in this place, each a reflection of what that person considers hell. For some, this separation isn't hell at all but merely a continuation of what was when they died. In essance, life after death continues according to where you are.

That separation appears to be merely whether or not the person is ready to let go of the earthly attachments, mostly emotions. Are they ready to let go of their life here and continue on into the next exsistance?

I found this facinating. For those who need help crossing over, usually they have a desire to go, but their grief, feelings or unworthiness, fears, ect are usually the only thing holding them back. But once they feel the peace of the light, most of the time, they just go because the desire is stronger then the thing holding them here.

I often ask Jesus to stand at the opening and I have NEVER seen anyone denied that wanted to. It didn't matter what they did or who they were, if they truly desired to go, that's where they went. And interestingly, they each experience their own reflection of heaven as well. For some it was a shining light, other's it was green mountains and streams.

I've come to the conclusion that heaven and hell is not really a particular place but a state of being. Dimensions inside dimensions. To think past that makes my brain hurt,lol. But this experience has also made me come to the same understanding that the kingdom of heaven is within :)

Thanks for the beautiful post !! Blessed Be

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