Does one usually have to ascend to get a greater power of manifestation? and what about negative people who use manifestation for bad purposes?

Since some corrupted people do gain manifestation power to practice via law of attraction or other ways, are they ascending?

Because Ascending is moving up. So since that is spiritual also, assuming some people who use
manifestation for bad purposes is also ascending, but to what levels, since levels of ascension that I read usually holds no greediness or cruelty.

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I've wondered about this a while.. What happens to those doing grey magic? Fx... Now I do not say it's bad etc but just the actual frequency, as lower so what happens? And when joining with someone higher what happens then??? Especially if both maintain their position??

Ah...I was just going to bring up frequency but Helen beat me to the punch! Lower frequencies gravitate to the denser levels while higher frequencies gravitate to the higher levels. And what does that really mean? There is a tremendous amount of information available about this on the internet and publications. Countless forums, once gleaned over, will bring one's Q&A level up as well.

For my understanding to all of this brings up a curious response as well. Is your Higher Self (moving toward the higher frequencies) your dark side i.e. who you really are? Or are we obviously part of source and naturally moral and ethical as to our understanding of such terms? Further on this line isn't the Ego just a manifestation of these ego-centric diametrically opposed concepts?

Once you exit out of this dimension (e.g.through OBE's or RV'ing activity at the least) will answers start to appear. The times (before the analytical mind kicks in) this has changes the rules of the game and concepts of manifestation will raise new and different questions.

So, yeah, manifestation is achievable. How correct the degree of certainly that you achieve and the power it is magnified to - what you manifest is based on the alignment of your frequencies. If you are aligned it happens. If not aligned then the manifestation will have a consequential result. But it is up to you, as you ask your Higher Self, if your frequency is pure to the degree to manifest something purely intended. This aspect is outside the limitations of energy and usually is beyond the ramifications of time and space. It is derived from outside this dimension and will eventually seep into this dimension if it is so postulated and then rendered.

Happy travels!

So someone with high frequency can not be together with a lower? What would be the consequences?

You may understand this already, but let me preface: Positive doesn't mean Light. And negative doesn't mean Dark. Positive and negative are more complex.

Light and Dark both exist in higher and lower dimensions. Light isn't solely higher dimensional, and Dark isn't solely lower dimensional.

Also, there are Dark Beings with incredible power of manifestation, just as there are Light Beings who possess incredible power of manifestation.

Now then, 'greediness' and 'cruelty' are relative ideas, not absolute constants. Is it cruel to kill animals in order to feed your child, if you are in a situation where there is nothing else to eat, and the prospect of starvation is a serious possibility? Perhaps.

Is it greedy for a blackjack gambler to defeat his opponents and take their money, an amount totaling far more than he needs for his own survival, if that money will later be put to use toward affording an expensive medical operation his child needs and would otherwise die without? It may certainly seem greedy to the individuals he took the money from, given that they won't have known his underlying motivation.

Regarding the possible Ascension of negative beings: Depending on how one is defining "negative," it can indeed be possible for such beings to ascend into other dimensional levels, though the specific levels ascended will vary from instance to instance.

Why? The determining factor in capacity to ascend is consciousness evolution, not abstract relative ideas such as, 'positive' or 'negative.'

Just as sometimes the positive energy of love can seem negative or cruel when it takes the form of tough love, the negative energy of fear can be positive when it alerts you to danger and saves your life.

Sorry but I totally disagree with your post! It seems as though you have never left the 3D world and your opinions and ideas are straight out of someone's playbook. You speak of 'this is the way it is' like you wrote the book on morals and ethics. I couldn't disagree with you any more!!

If this is in response to Helen's post then I would just delete it and answer her simple question. The answer to her question is YES. Its all about harmonics and anyone who has left this 3D world in the astral form knows this to be accurate.

So there ya go! Back to the truth of the story!



729 said:

You may understand this already, but let me preface: Positive doesn't mean Light. And negative doesn't mean Dark. Positive and negative are more complex.

Light and Dark both exist in higher and lower dimensions. Light isn't solely higher dimensional, and Dark isn't solely lower dimensional.

Also, there are Dark Beings with incredible power of manifestation, just as there are Light Beings who possess incredible power of manifestation.

Now then, 'greediness' and 'cruelty' are relative ideas, not absolute constants. Is it cruel to kill animals in order to feed your child, if you are in a situation where there is nothing else to eat, and the prospect of starvation is a serious possibility? Perhaps.

Is it greedy for a blackjack gambler to defeat his opponents and take their money, an amount totaling far more than he needs for his own survival, if that money will later be put to use toward affording an expensive medical operation his child needs and would otherwise die without? It may certainly seem greedy to the individuals he took the money from, given that they won't have known his underlying motivation.

Regarding the possible Ascension of negative beings: Depending on how one is defining "negative," it can indeed be possible for such beings to ascend into other dimensional levels, though the specific levels ascended will vary from instance to instance.

Why? The determining factor in capacity to ascend is consciousness evolution, not abstract relative ideas such as, 'positive' or 'negative.'

Just as sometimes the positive energy of love can seem negative or cruel when it takes the form of tough love, the negative energy of fear can be positive when it alerts you to danger and saves your life.

LOL 729, :P Who told you that? The dark beings have no power..well nothing compared to the opposite side of the spectrum..Thats why dark beings(deluded souls) need technology..They need to haul energy from other beings, why? They need to manipulate..why? Because it just so happens? or did they choose that?

If you think the universe will allow manipulative dark beings to be equal to the asecended masters,arch angels etc..we wouldnt be here right now..its always cause and effect..never forget that.. They dont say "fallen angels" for nothing..how much power do you think lucifer has these days? He has nothing..name one dark being that is powerful? And not darth maul or lord sauron from the lord of the rings..

Hi Mic Tool,

'Good' and 'Bad' do not actually exist in the universe - everything is energy. Good and bad are just descriptions of how we experience something. These are subjective terms that depend entirely on our perspective.

The law of attraction acts at an objective, energetic level and therefore does not recognize 'bad' or 'good'. If a person has the knowledge to be able to consciously manifest using the law of attraction - it doesn't matter whether someone else deems their actions 'good' or 'bad'.

In terms of ascension - I've interpreted ascension to refer to when people consciously try to act more from love and less from fear. When we act from fear, we can do things that others might interpret as 'bad'. Recognizing that one is acting out of fear and consciously taking the steps to learn how to react to life from love, instead of fear - is ascension.

So - yes - I think people can act from fear and still be ascending IF they are consciously trying to replace fear with love. People that are working on ascension, still make decisions based on fear for various reasons.

However, a lot of people that make their decisions based on fear, do not recognize what they are doing and they are likely to just keep on doing it. I would say that these people are not ascending.

If I am a person with bad intentions and become a master in the law of manifestation I would understand that my thoughts and emotions have to be aligned in order to manifest better, you cannot leave the emotions out of the equation, by thought only you can´t really manifest things, that practice would help me connect with my heart, the heart and your emotions are like a compass to guide you through this life, so I would end up ascending to higher frequencies of love despite my original bad intentions.

    @729, interesting perspective. I think the labels don't really make a difference. You can say this or that, but the terminology behind light/dark positive/ negative ect. doesn't matter as much as what they actually mean in the end. When someone uses the word "dark," I of course ask them what they mean, by I don't say that either term definitively means this/that, because a lot of people DO associate negativity with darkness. I personally don't but that's me.

    @Kontufuno1, It's okay, take a breathe, (lol) we're allowed to have different perspective on things... right? Haha!

    @Dean, if this world was so automatically just, the blatant use of power against those underneath any entity would barely exist... would not be as common as the neighbor one may have with a criminal history of a violent or forceful sexuallly-based crime.

    @Jer & AspenRain, Namu

    @OP, It really depends on what you mean by ascension. For me, it's more like an entire race passing itself to have a subconscious focus point in a non-physical reality, but not necessarily detaching itself from the physical entirely. I can't really answer the question because so many people have different ways of viewing the use/gain of power combined with the subject of intentions/choice/free will.

    If I were to answer your question out of blindness of what I think you mean now, I would say the answer is "no."

Good question...

I would say that it's all about intentions. I think it's rare (although it does happen) that people 'ascend' unintentionally. You could intend to better yourself, the planet and those around you whilst learning to become the ascended alchemist who is manifesting their own reality. Or you could intend to gain power, money or any kind of advantage over others for selfish reasons - which is where greed comes into it.

I personally think that it's possible to use the power of manifestation (a 'power' which is within all humans - although dormant within the majority) for any purposes, good or bad. But more importantly that good breeds good and bad breeds bad. The word 'karma' is often misinterpreted in our society; it was originally the Sanskrit word meaning 'to do/make/action' and was used by Buddha and others for spiritual causes to describe cause and effect. Basically it means that you are, and that you become, what you do. So if you do good and you make (or manifest) good, then your life will be good. The same goes for bad...

Ascension means different things to different people, but to me ascension is the ability to manifest, to be more aware and to be able to influence anything around you in a positive fashion.

There is definitely a fine line to be drawn sometimes between ascension for good or bad though, and for me it raises interesting questions and paradoxes. For example: Am I ascending for completely pure purposes? Do I just want my own life to be better (even if this comes about by making the lives of others better)? Do I like the idea of being ascended/special, and those around me not being so?
For me I am still battling with these questions and attempting to move forward. But I guess the fact that I am having this discussion with the universe and attempting to create a better me is a good thing. Right?

I'm sure people will disagree with some of what I have said above, and I am more that willing to discuss :)

I hope I haven't rambled too much and that everything makes sense! I'm currently very tired :/

But hopefully I'll speak with some of you soon.

LoveLoveLove.

From what i perceive & experience. Ascension is growing your soul into a light body or rainbow light body. One does this through pure hearted love, kindness, forgiveness, discipline towards focusing ones interactions of the love light, rather than leaning towards evil in the response to interactions with this reality. That is to be love filled in everything one does.

However if one hasn't done the experiences & life missions one can ascend then be bounced back by ones own agreement with the others. I call the others the ones who watch us from celestial city guiding loving & protecting us.

Now those who are hate filled, evil, revengeful. disgraceful who are just mean spirited cruel selfish ass holes loose their rainbow light body. Then darkness fills their soul. these ones give away their light with curses all the time. They a feed on & preyed on by fallen angels who feast off their hate & evil lust. They can have dark powers like an ascended one would. However at the end of this reality experience the fallen angels take them & they may even get spiritual death. They are always surrounded by dark entities & demons or fallen angels who feed off them.

Look at the dark workers as descending.



Helen Mohlin said:
I've wondered about this a while.. What happens to those doing grey magic? Fx... Now I do not say it's bad etc but just the actual frequency, as lower so what happens? And when joining with someone higher what happens then??? Especially if both maintain their position??

Grey workers are still dark workers, these ones are aimed at selfishness. up & down. all trhe time. Often suffered too much truama.

Cant ascend with an unforgiving heart.

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