The Consciousness Has Shifted...The Awakening Has Begun
I can only agree with Set. If you truly wish to have a lower vibration towards shame instead of a high vibration towards bliss then it is your call, and not for others to make.
Interesting, but does a "slow" vibration not equate to density and a 3D existence, and a fast vibration not equate to 4D and 5D, which is where the majority of people wish to go?
All my experiences have been towards a higher/faster vibration, resulting from fasting, yoga and med, which result in a physically lighter body and some metaphysical powers when I am in this high/fast vibratory state. Simply not achievable for me when eating dense, heavy meat of low vibration. It would bring me back down to 3D like a ton of bricks.
I get that the thoughts surrounding food can be as harmful/beneficial as the foods themselves.
But are you going as far as to say that what you eat has no correspondence as to your vibration? Because tell that to someone on MDM, or someone who has spent a couple of days juice fasting and praying. Or someone who takes a powerful essential oil. All simply a placebo? What they consumed/did not consume had a huge effect on their vibration. Aside from mere thoughts.
It is true that there are people who get to a point where they can control their vibration independently through will. But until they get to that point (which I would call advanced) food most definitely will effect their vibration. Why not use it as an aid in the meantime until one gets to that point? And I believe meat to be a dense food with a particularly harmful vibration unless one is a point where they can control it.
Everything I am saying is from subjective experience, I tend to disregard everything I read as total nonsense until I verify it personally. If I had not experienced this personally I would not be here debating it.
In any case thanks for the information. It is helpful to get different points of view. And we may be referring to different things, in terms of what vibration is specifically.
To each his own :)
Yes exactly, it depends on person
I can fully respect that, and of course ascension is a personal process, not defined solely by eating habits. And the thoughts about food are as important as the food itself in many cases.
And I know that personally meat is not for me. But with increased ascension is increased empathy. And I find it hard to believe that someone with such empathy condones the action itself, when they are able to emulate how animals feel as they are butchered. The majority of spiritualists are/were against meat, and I always believed this to be due to their increased awareness and vibration.
I believe you can ascend despite eating meat, not because your body enjoys it. But to each their own.
Hmm. I can't say I agree as far as to say eating meat is fine because ascension is personal. Mainly because it messes me up too bad and is too integral to my own ascension/path, which mainly involves what I eat/don't eat in the fasting process and between.
I'm sure you can learn to ground around the problem somehow. But nope, not for me. It just aint conscionable ladies and gents, merely developing a capacity to ignore the butchering of an entire species.
But again, to each their own. Whatever makes you feel comfortable :)
you no like meat? y u no like meat
Personal experience. Did a fasting process where I
a) gained empathy for animals
b) threw up and felt awful when eating meat afterwards
I'm not supposed to eat meat as it kills me. Literally. And I need to fast and not eat meat in order to attain divine amrita and build light body. But thats just me, YMMV.
BTW before the fast I loved a steak as much as anyone.
but meat is good
Hello Empress. Sorry to sting you.
But you can't keep putting forward strawman arguments, where you appear to deal with issues which I never put forward. For example, I never intended to set the world straight with veganism. In fact, one of my primary values is to let people do exactly as they wish, even if I don't agree with it, even if it involves butchering an entire species. "To each their own", I have said a few times in this thread.
"Lions dont go around commanding animals to submit to their will and follow their orders. They kill what they need to survive. Nothing more, and when food is scarce, often less.
There is no justification for cruelty. There is justification for killing to eat."
Given that the thread itself is about whether or not eating animals is immoral, i took the final point to mean that we need to kill animals to eat and that is itself a justification. Otherwise all your points are mere ramblings against strawman arguments. But I may have misinterpreted.
So, you had a preconceived notion about vegans, read the thread and decided to attack your own notion of what veganism was, ignored all points made for animal welfare which has led you to where you are now.
I do provide online logic classes on skype if you are interested, at a very reasonable price :)
BTW if you were/are being satirical a course in logic would not help me very much :)
I jest. Anyway have a nice evening, I need to get some sleep.